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	<title>Comments on: Making the most of Optimal Treejack</title>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.userexperience.co.nz/2009/08/making-the-most-of-optimal-treejack/comment-page-1/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 14:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Deb. Sounds like you are giving Treejack a good workout. Perhaps you should get in touch with the nice people at optimalworkshop as they might value your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Deb. Sounds like you are giving Treejack a good workout. Perhaps you should get in touch with the nice people at optimalworkshop as they might value your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://www.userexperience.co.nz/2009/08/making-the-most-of-optimal-treejack/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 14:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s disappointing that &quot;Edit Tree&quot; does not include inserting new lines. You may add or delete or change words in a single line, you can even delete the whole line, but you cannot add a line. This has casued me some hassle. In addition, there&#039;s no way to allow two right answers is one of them has a link beneath it. Maybe a participant would consider the overview enough, and the detail may not be needed. However, if you want to track who stoppped at the overview and who drilled to detail, you can&#039;t, because you cannot make Overview a right answer when there&#039;s something under it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s disappointing that &#8220;Edit Tree&#8221; does not include inserting new lines. You may add or delete or change words in a single line, you can even delete the whole line, but you cannot add a line. This has casued me some hassle. In addition, there&#8217;s no way to allow two right answers is one of them has a link beneath it. Maybe a participant would consider the overview enough, and the detail may not be needed. However, if you want to track who stoppped at the overview and who drilled to detail, you can&#8217;t, because you cannot make Overview a right answer when there&#8217;s something under it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Ng :: Optimal Workshop</title>
		<link>http://www.userexperience.co.nz/2009/08/making-the-most-of-optimal-treejack/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Ng :: Optimal Workshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys,

Great to hear you&#039;ve all had varying levels of success with Treejack.

Harry - you&#039;re half right - we designed Treejack primarily for unmoderated testing.  But, Treejack was born from moderated, in-person testing.  The very first prototype was a stack of paper with a human &quot;computer&quot;!

As mentioned by others, Treejack and in fact all our tools, are always going to be supplementary to in-person testing - if you can afford the luxury of doing so.  Think of it as the difference between running a survey or an interview.  Interviews will always give you much richer insights, but surveys are a lot quicker and less time consuming.

Karl - your point about ensuring people don&#039;t hop too much into a reflective mode is a critical one.  Ensuring that participants don&#039;t spend more time thinking than in the &quot;real world&quot; is central to the results&#039; validity.  In any type of study, but particularly moderated sessions, &quot;test conditions&quot; are invariably introduced so reducing other forms of bias becomes critical.

There is also a randomisation feature in Treejack that no only mixes the order but can also present only a certain subset of tasks to present a participant.  Use this to reduce the learning effect, as well as fewer tasks per participant.

Lastly, we are considering running a Treejack Q&amp;A session. Anyone who is interested, just email me.

Thanks,
Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>Great to hear you&#8217;ve all had varying levels of success with Treejack.</p>
<p>Harry &#8211; you&#8217;re half right &#8211; we designed Treejack primarily for unmoderated testing.  But, Treejack was born from moderated, in-person testing.  The very first prototype was a stack of paper with a human &#8220;computer&#8221;!</p>
<p>As mentioned by others, Treejack and in fact all our tools, are always going to be supplementary to in-person testing &#8211; if you can afford the luxury of doing so.  Think of it as the difference between running a survey or an interview.  Interviews will always give you much richer insights, but surveys are a lot quicker and less time consuming.</p>
<p>Karl &#8211; your point about ensuring people don&#8217;t hop too much into a reflective mode is a critical one.  Ensuring that participants don&#8217;t spend more time thinking than in the &#8220;real world&#8221; is central to the results&#8217; validity.  In any type of study, but particularly moderated sessions, &#8220;test conditions&#8221; are invariably introduced so reducing other forms of bias becomes critical.</p>
<p>There is also a randomisation feature in Treejack that no only mixes the order but can also present only a certain subset of tasks to present a participant.  Use this to reduce the learning effect, as well as fewer tasks per participant.</p>
<p>Lastly, we are considering running a Treejack Q&amp;A session. Anyone who is interested, just email me.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.userexperience.co.nz/2009/08/making-the-most-of-optimal-treejack/comment-page-1/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry,

I&#039;ve just completed a Treejack study as well, and I had several tasks which, in summary, look very successful.

However in post session questioning it became apparent that there was a process of either deduction or a click and hope for the best strategy at play. 

I found participants didn&#039;t understand several labels which they clicked on, leading to successful conclusions to their task; but these were chosen because other choices made even less sense.

The Treejack summary says this is a success, but I would say otherwise ;)

I used a slightly different method to Nick - having users complete a series of 12 - 15 tasks before stopping and then going back over tasks which I thought required some more investigation. I didn&#039;t want users to hop too much from an investigatory frame of mind, to a reflective mode between every task as I thought that this might lead them to be more and more analytical, or careful with each subsequent task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just completed a Treejack study as well, and I had several tasks which, in summary, look very successful.</p>
<p>However in post session questioning it became apparent that there was a process of either deduction or a click and hope for the best strategy at play. </p>
<p>I found participants didn&#8217;t understand several labels which they clicked on, leading to successful conclusions to their task; but these were chosen because other choices made even less sense.</p>
<p>The Treejack summary says this is a success, but I would say otherwise <img src='http://www.userexperience.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I used a slightly different method to Nick &#8211; having users complete a series of 12 &#8211; 15 tasks before stopping and then going back over tasks which I thought required some more investigation. I didn&#8217;t want users to hop too much from an investigatory frame of mind, to a reflective mode between every task as I thought that this might lead them to be more and more analytical, or careful with each subsequent task.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m pretty sure it wasn&#039;t intended for face to face studies, but it turns out to be a real asset.

Much of the value of Treejack lies in the time it saves you by building a prototype and capturing journeys, summarising data etc.

However, the results of an unmoderated treejack report could be misinterpreted without the qualitative component.

If you&#039;re not present when participants are rumbling through your IA, you&#039;ll be blind to false positives and could easily miss key insights. 

E.g. if you had a dreaded &#039;miscellaneous&#039; category and many participants &#039;sucessfully&#039; found things within it, the treejack report would show that this is a strong part of the navigation. 

Like many of these online tools, they can tell you what happened, but not why, and it&#039;s the why that helps us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m pretty sure it wasn&#8217;t intended for face to face studies, but it turns out to be a real asset.</p>
<p>Much of the value of Treejack lies in the time it saves you by building a prototype and capturing journeys, summarising data etc.</p>
<p>However, the results of an unmoderated treejack report could be misinterpreted without the qualitative component.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not present when participants are rumbling through your IA, you&#8217;ll be blind to false positives and could easily miss key insights. </p>
<p>E.g. if you had a dreaded &#8216;miscellaneous&#8217; category and many participants &#8216;sucessfully&#8217; found things within it, the treejack report would show that this is a strong part of the navigation. </p>
<p>Like many of these online tools, they can tell you what happened, but not why, and it&#8217;s the why that helps us.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.userexperience.co.nz/2009/08/making-the-most-of-optimal-treejack/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you used treejack in a moderated, co-present study? That&#039;s interesting since AFAIK it&#039;s designed for unmoderated, remote testing. 

How much value do you think you&#039;d have got out of the study if you&#039;d have gone down the unmoderated, remote route?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you used treejack in a moderated, co-present study? That&#8217;s interesting since AFAIK it&#8217;s designed for unmoderated, remote testing. </p>
<p>How much value do you think you&#8217;d have got out of the study if you&#8217;d have gone down the unmoderated, remote route?</p>
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